J. Grant Swank, Jr.


If Dems don’t support the Obamacare bill that they have not yet read in its entirety, they are not faithful to the party.


If Dems do support that bill they are in trouble back home and also imploding our economy.


If they support Marxist Muslim Barack Hussein Obama’s wrongly-titled health care bill, they will ruin the nation’s health in its purse. They know that. But they have no other party-riveted choice if they want to keep Dem power in.


If they refuse to support this travesty, they are siding in with the anti-Obamacare Republicans. That makes them like Republicans on Obama’s prime issue.


What a mess illogic yields when party comes first. It’s not ethical for party to come first for ethics would define what is right is what one endorses. But of course ethics-being-what’s-right rarely counts with Dems.


What a fall-in opportunism produces when politicking supremes rather than working for the health of the Republic.


Yet Dems have worked themselves into such an opportunistic, unreasonable, party egocentric corner that they can’t back out. Since they can’t back out, America is in big angst unless God intervenes. And  unless Republicans can find their moral strength by which to power-up what is right.


Dems, ethically, morally, logically, have fallen flat on their faces. That means that they have ended up on the nasty side—but more than that when considering ethics and morals. They have put themselves blatantly on the wicked side. That is not stating it too boldly.


Obama is obviously calculating the destruction of the country. Being a genuine Muslim, stating such publicly, he is in league with his own Muslim shadow government. Therefore, he calculates that implosion is one way to behead America’s citizenry.


When the Fort Hood Muslim killed the innocent, Obama was reluctant to give comforting words to the grieving. He was on obvious delay. He was hollow in his statement. Why? Because the Muslim is just that. And Obama is Muslim. Go figure.


Dems engineered by this kind of Obama are going to scissor our country into tiny shred strips.


God help us! Pray.


Read “Obama states he is Muslim” at http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/swank/091107

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Chaplain Barbara Moulton’s name and email address no longer appear on NazNet masthead page 1.


Has she quit?


NazNet Founder and Moderator Dave McClung emailed me that she was pained due to being exposed as cowardly in not publicly stating her refutation of homosexual practice.


God in His Word states clearly his refutation of homosexual practice.


Moulton said to me: “I am not going to crusade against allowing them (homosexual ‘marriages’) to take place in my country.”


How then can she be a Christian chaplain let alone a moderator on a supposed Christian site? Further, this site states repeatedly that it is a friend of the holiness Church of the Nazarene, the latter publicly not endorsing homosexual unions?


McClung said he was seeking to be a peacemaker about this issue when it came to Moulton’s being in pain and the exposure given her regarding her anti-biblical stance.


McClung was being no peacemaker or he would have made peace with God’s position on the matter.


He would also have made peace with the site’s integrity by refuting his chaplain moderator’s position.


McClung in no way sought peace. He sought to squelch the exposure of one of his prime staff members.


Read NAZNET DISTORTS at http://naznetdistorts.blogspot.com/

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


NazNet Manager G. R. ‘Scott’ Cundiff supports the errant position of Dr. C.S. Cowles of Point Loma Nazarene University. Cowles puts forth his thesis here: http://www.naznet.com/inerrant.htm


Cowles’ presentation is entitled: “Scriptural Inerrancy? ‘Behold, I Show You A More Excellent Way’: An Open Letter by C. S. Cowles / Spring, 2009 Point Loma Nazarene University.”


Cundiff joins NazNet Moderator Hans Deventer in wiping out total faith in the Bible as God’s inerrant revelation.


NazNet Founder and Moderator Dave McClung says nothing to refute this. Instead, he continues to play blind. Not only on this issue, but when Moderator Chaplain Barbara Moulton refuses to go into public air to defend God’s abhorrence of homosexual liaisons.


This reveals most boldly that NazNet is no support for the Church of the Nazarene, though claiming to be so time and again throughout the site. Instead, NazNet is at work daily to shatter the holiness denomination so that it no longer will be holiness or evangelical or theologically conservative.


McClung, businessman, is no theologian. He should not be creating on the Internet a seminary-type that sucks in particularly the young. McClung enjoys his pied piper role. He strokes those who post liberal positions, as do Cundiff and Deventer.


Cundiff is old enough to know better. He is no young chap still trying to find his way. Therefore, he and McClung delight in forming a theologically liberal following to submerge the holiness voice of the Church of the Nazarene.


Instead of using NazNet to enhance holiness teaching, elaborating intelligently the wise interpretation of sanctification in Scripture, NazNet does everything but that.


It fills up its site with contention and anti-biblical positions. These include Deventer’s defense of annihilation of the wicked rather than the biblical teaching of eternal torment.


Also, these include Deventer’s admiration of infant baptism over the biblical teaching of adult believers’ baptism only. 


Cundiff fosters the questioning of the Word of God. He lends his site position most assertively to direct readers in the suspicion direction.


One who knows the Bible must ask these overseers this basic query: Do you not fear the Judgment Seat of Christ? Do you not take seriously at least that portion of Scripture or have you dismissed that as too horrific to believe?


Read NAZNET MODERATOR’S DAVE MCCLUNG IS LAX, INEPT, A TROUBLE-MAKER at http://naznetdistorts.blogspot.com/2009/11/naznet-moderators-dave-mcclung-is-lax.html

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


America’s democracy and very existence depends on authorities closing down terrorist cells within our borders.


If America does not protect itself, it will be overcome by the Muslims who believe the Koran’s call to Islam World Rule. That means their slaughtering all infidels—non-Muslims.


Thank God federal authorities are taking over 4 mosques and a Manhattan skyscraper apartment complex they’ve tagged as Iranian-connected. For years, these centers have worked to undermine our nation.


There are those who claim that there are moderate Muslims. Perhaps. But keep in mind that there are those who appear so who are waiting for the Islamic signal to topple our country.


Muslims are taught via the Koran’s Allah to lie. They are scripted to fake their friendliness in order to subdue non-Muslims. That is going on daily. Imams are teaching their disciples how to seem like law-abiding citizens.


This is all to further Allah’s victory over America. Therefore, if nice American citizens naively believe that all Muslims are to be given that second chance to prove themselves, no Americans will be awake to spy out the killers.


The facts are there.


We have killer Islamic cells throughout the Republic. They are loyal only to their subversive leadership. They are our neighbors and work alongside us. Some are moderates who will remain peaceful. But only God knows those who are lying to us.


We cannot be too careful. We must follow through with every hint that we are going to be taken in.


That is what the federal agents are doing with these mosques and apartment complex. They have worked over time to log their facts that these complexes are out to level America.


Read “Feds move to seize 4 mosques, tower linked to Iran” at http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091113/D9BUCBQ00.html

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Hans Deventer has labeled me one of his “enemies.”


I did not reply to his email to me about that except to accept his conclusion.


I am not an enemy to any person who defends truth as defined by the Bible. I have stood by the scriptural data regarding eternal damnation, adult believers’ baptism, homosexual activity, and the Word of God being inerrant.


Because of that I stand enemy to Moderator Hans Deventer and Chaplain Moderator Barbara Moulton. As a footnote to the aforementioned, NazNet site Founder and Moderator Dave McClung supports these two staff members and thereby disagrees with biblical data, thus disagreeing with me.


Deventer has disagreed with biblical data regarding eternal damnation in stating simply that he believes the unsaved are annihilated. This is not scriptural.


Deventer has disagreed with biblical data regarding adult believers’ baptism in supporting infant baptism. Infant baptism is not scriptural.


Deventere has disagreed with biblical data regarding the Scriptures being inerrant. He believes they are open to error. This is not scriptural.


Deventer’s moderator colleague Barbara Moulton disagrees with the biblical call to defend the biblical ethic in public. She, a chaplain, will not take the biblical opposition to homosexual unions into the open. She is adamant about that. She, a chaplain, will not let the public know that God abhors homosexual activity.


What does she preach as a chaplain? If she preached to listeners to go forth with the gospel, she would have to footnote that sermon by admonishing that gospel witnessing is fine except for publicly defending the divine refutation of homosexual activity. Is not that usurping the divine authority?


Now concerning biblical data, I agree with same for I dare not transgress God’s revelation. God has spoken about hell as being “eternal torment.” Of course, Christ provides more descriptive terminology concerning the state of the damned.


God has no other New Testament information concerning baptism but that individuals who have knowingly accepted Christ as personal Lord give witness to that by being baptized. This is a public testimony that God has washed away the sins of the soul.


New Testament data states nowhere that any infant was baptized. None. That is Roman Catholic liturgy. But it is not what the biblically moored Church of the Nazarene has practiced since its start.


The Church of the Nazarene has the custom of dedicating little ones. That is proper and does not go against any biblical information; however, infant baptism can be found nowhere in the Bible.


As for the Bible being God’s eternal without-error Word, there can be no conclusion thereby reached but that God knows how to communicate perfectly. If God is incorrect in some of His communication, then He is not fit to be God.


Those claiming that the Bible has errors in it cannot explain the difficult passages such as the supposed harsh verses of the Old Testament.


That means that these individuals have not taken the nerve to think through, via the Holy Spirit’s guidance, the explanation satisfactory to accepting these verses as history.


Here, for example, is a thinking through of the difficult passages that leaves the Bible without error: BIBLE HARSH PENALTIES & CHRIST’S ETHIC at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/bible_harsh_penalties__christ%E2%80%99s_ethic_2.thtml


So for disagreeing with Deventer’s unbiblical conclusions, he has tagged me one of his “enemies.”


For that reason, I am most honored to accept the label. At least I am true to the God of the Bible and therefore have no fear of the Judgment Seat of Christ.


Read  NAZNET FOUNDER PLAYS BLIND at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Why does supposed Church of the Nazarene-friendly NazNet Founder and Moderator Dave McClung permit a Chaplain Moderator Barbara Moulton to be his site overseer?


She does not take a public stand for the biblical abhorrence of homosexual nuptials. She keeps God’s stance in the closet.


She says: “. . .for the record, I do have objections to gay marriage.  I don't perform them and will never perform them.  I simply am not going to crusade against allowing them to take place in my country.”


Read more: NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR KEEPS ‘GAY MARRIAGE’ IN THE CLOSET at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_keeps_%E2%80%98gay_marriage%E2%80%99_in_the_closet.thtml


Also, NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR BARBARA MOULTON DRAWS SPIKED REACTIONS at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_barbara_moulton_draws_spiked_reactions.thtml


Where is Moderator Dave McClung? Why does he permit this kind of “leadership” on NazNet when it is  undermining the Bible and the denomination?


Further, another moderator, Hans Deventer, states that he opposes Christ’s statements concerning hell’s eternal torment. He opts for annihilation.


Read more: NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER NIXES ETERNAL HELL. HE’S NAZARENE? at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_moderator_hans_deventer_nixes_eternal_hell_he%E2%80%99s_nazarene.thtml


Where is Moderator McClung? Why does he permit Deventer to upstage Christ on clear biblical data? Deventer obviously has the theological clout to cancel out Christ’s warnings for Deventer’s own holy writ.


McClung allows this to continue day after day.


Further, Hans Deventer endorses a Bible fraught with errors. This is in keeping with another overseer, Site Manager and Moderator Scott Cundiff. They both use the site to indoctrinate that God has trouble communicating a perfect revelation; therefore, it is up to each reader to pick and choose what he considers legitimate biblical material.


Read NAZNET SAYS BIBLE NOT 100% NO-ERROR RELIABLE at  http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_says_bible_not_100_no-error_reliable.thtml


It takes some intelligence to reach the conclusion that difficult biblical passages actually support the perfect divine revelation. But evidently NazNet site overseers don’t have that kind of intelligence.


Check this out for balanced reasoning: BIBLE HARSH PENALTIES & CHRIST'S ETHIC at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/bible_harsh_penalties__christ%E2%80%99s_ethic_2.thtml


The Church of the Nazarene historically has endorsed adult believer’s baptism.


However, Hans Deventer has a more excellent way. It is the Roman Catholic position of infant baptism. Here are Deventer’s own words: “I've changed from one who supported adult baptism to one who now supports infant baptism.”


(This is typical of NazNet. The site seeks to form the Church of the Nazarene into the Catholic/Anglican/Episcopal high church mold. This includes changing the Nazarene reference to the Lord’s Supper as “communion” to Deventer and clique’s high church term “Eucharist.” They adore the term “Eucharist.”)


For more explaining why infant baptism is nowhere to be found in Scripture, click NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER SUPPORTS INFANT BAPTISM OVER ADULT BAPTISM at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_moderator_hans_deventer_supports_infant_baptism_over_adult_baptism.thtml


McClung turns his head the other way when Barbara Moulton hides in her coward’s closet rather than take the God-side in opposing in the marketplace homosexual “marriage.”


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer boasts that annihilation takes precedence over Christ’s “everlasting torment” warning for unbelievers.


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer and Scott Cundiff put NazNet’s top-of-the-list reading errance in Scripture. At the top of the list! It is not merely a hidden read in the site; it is highly recommended for all site viewers.


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer chants his support for infant rather than the biblical adult baptism.


In addition, when Internet readers found out about Barbara Moulton cowardice, McClung emailed me to ask me to stop such posting for Moulton was in “pain” over it.


Can you imagine that?


She was in pain over being exposed as a coward. She was in pain because truth won out. What about God’s pain in seeing one who claims to be His own child not standing up publicly for Father’s ethic?


Further, McClung emailed me that he was seeking to be a “peacemaker.”


I did not email McClung back; but I wanted to. Now I will ask him so that you may read my questions: Mr. McClung, Founder and Moderator/NazNet, why do you not seek making peace with God and His perfectly communicated divine writ? Why do you permit your colleagues to slice through the biblical record?


Further, if you want to make peace in the eternal, God-blessed sense, why do you use your site to play “denomination-on-site-in-competition-with-the-Church-of-the-Nazarene”?


You act as if you are usurping the General Superintendents by playing General Superintendent, seminary professor, college religion professor and so forth. Your “educational staff” equals site overseers who have in fact created their own bogus seminary training center.


If you are a person of integrity, you will stop your site’s propaganda and support gospeling the world with biblical truth.


I doubt if your ego will permit you to do that.

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


America’s unseen Power at work on behalf of moralists is God.


The Republic Party does not have a strong front person as leader.


How is it then that the moral positions held to tenaciously by moralist Republicans continue to be defended, even with the most vicious attacks from the godless?


It is God, the unseen partner of prayer warriors. Those who intercede on behalf of the Republic are not in need of a mortal leader at the moment. We are bereft of a mighty party spokesperson.


Nevertheless, such ethical issues as abortion and homosexual unions are being fought by American citizens, but lead by the unseen Partner—God.


Therefore, all the more moralists must continue to believe in the universal Holy Presence. He does not need anything but those who have strong, childlike faith in Him.


God then can do whatever He plans on doing when having the Noah-and-his-family cohorts beseeching His intervention. There were only 8 who kept the faith in that generation. Yet the Creator defended them, kept them safe and disciplined the disobedient.


So it is in every age. God does not need a host; He needs those few who would put their faith on the line for His eternal verities. The righteous remnant is that conclave today. They join the early founders of this nation in their moral base and prayer faith.


Therefore, when newsfeeds inform moralists that they are weak because they “can’t get their act together” in uncovering that dynamic party leader, put aside that wail.


Rev up your faith quotient in God the Mighty God.

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Why does supposed Church of the Nazarene-friendly NazNet Founder and Moderator Dave McClung permit a Chaplain Moderator Barbara Moulton to be his site overseer?


She does not take a public stand for the biblical abhorrence of homosexual nuptials. She keeps God’s stance in the closet.


She says: “. . .for the record, I do have objections to gay marriage.  I don't perform them and will never perform them.  I simply am not going to crusade against allowing them to take place in my country.”


Read more: NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR KEEPS ‘GAY MARRIAGE’ IN THE CLOSET at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_keeps_%E2%80%98gay_marriage%E2%80%99_in_the_closet.thtml


Also, NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR BARBARA MOULTON DRAWS SPIKED REACTIONS at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_barbara_moulton_draws_spiked_reactions.thtml


Where is Moderator Dave McClung? Why does he permit this kind of “leadership” on NazNet when it is  undermining the Bible and the denomination?


Further, another moderator, Hans Deventer, states that he opposes Christ’s statements concerning hell’s eternal torment. He opts for annihilation.


Read more: NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER NIXES ETERNAL HELL. HE’S NAZARENE? at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_moderator_hans_deventer_nixes_eternal_hell_he%E2%80%99s_nazarene.thtml


Where is Moderator McClung? Why does he permit Deventer to upstage Christ on clear biblical data? Deventer obviously has the theological clout to cancel out Christ’s warnings for Deventer’s own holy writ.


McClung allows this to continue day after day.


Further, Hans Deventer endorses a Bible fraught with errors. This is in keeping with another overseer, Site Manager and Moderator Scott Cundiff. They both use the site to indoctrinate that God has trouble communicating a perfect revelation; therefore, it is up to each reader to pick and choose what he considers legitimate biblical material.


Read NAZNET SAYS BIBLE NOT 100% NO-ERROR RELIABLE at  http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_says_bible_not_100_no-error_reliable.thtml


It takes some intelligence to reach the conclusion that difficult biblical passages actually support the perfect divine revelation. But evidently NazNet site overseers don’t have that kind of intelligence.


Check this out for balanced reasoning: BIBLE HARSH PENALTIES & CHRIST'S ETHIC at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/bible_harsh_penalties__christ%E2%80%99s_ethic_2.thtml


The Church of the Nazarene historically has endorsed adult believer’s baptism.


However, Hans Deventer has a more excellent way. It is the Roman Catholic position of infant baptism. Here are Deventer’s own words: “I've changed from one who supported adult baptism to one who now supports infant baptism.”


(This is typical of NazNet. The site seeks to form the Church of the Nazarene into the Catholic/Anglican/Episcopal high church mold. This includes changing the Nazarene reference to the Lord’s Supper as “communion” to Deventer and clique’s high church term “Eucharist.” They adore the term “Eucharist.”)


For more explaining why infant baptism is nowhere to be found in Scripture, click NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER SUPPORTS INFANT BAPTISM OVER ADULT BAPTISM at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_moderator_hans_deventer_supports_infant_baptism_over_adult_baptism.thtml


McClung turns his head the other way when Barbara Moulton hides in her coward’s closet rather than take the God-side in opposing in the marketplace homosexual “marriage.”


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer boasts that annihilation takes precedence over Christ’s “everlasting torment” warning for unbelievers.


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer and Scott Cundiff put NazNet’s top-of-the-list reading errance in Scripture. At the top of the list! It is not merely a hidden read in the site; it is highly recommended for all site viewers.


McClung turns his head the other way when Hans Deventer chants his support for infant rather than the biblical adult baptism.


In addition, when Internet readers found out about Barbara Moulton cowardice, McClung emailed me to ask me to stop such posting for Moulton was in “pain” over it.


Can you imagine that?


She was in pain over being exposed as a coward. She was in pain because truth won out. What about God’s pain in seeing one who claims to be His own child not standing up publicly for Father’s ethic?


Further, McClung emailed me that he was seeking to be a “peacemaker.”


I did not email McClung back; but I wanted to. Now I will ask him so that you may read my questions: Mr. McClung, Founder and Moderator/NazNet, why do you not seek making peace with God and His perfectly communicated divine writ? Why do you permit your colleagues to slice through the biblical record?


Further, if you want to make peace in the eternal, God-blessed sense, why do you use your site to play “denomination-on-site-in-competition-with-the-Church-of-the-Nazarene”?


You act as if you are usurping the General Superintendents by playing General Superintendent, seminary professor, college religion professor and so forth. Your “educational staff” equals site overseers who have in fact created their own bogus seminary training center.


If you are a person of integrity, you will stop your site’s propaganda and support gospeling the world with biblical truth.


I doubt if your ego will permit you to do that.

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Deventer states it clearly: “I've changed from one who supported adult baptism to one who now supports infant baptism.”


This is another example on theologically liberal based Naznet of stirring up disagreement and contention within the Church of the Nazarene.


What gospel benefit is Deventer’s input when the primary energy of the church should be preaching salvation while the world slugs it out for hell’s gain?


Hans Deventer delights in planting division on that site. Other site overseers join him daily.


In another venue, Deventer blatantly proclaimed that hell is not eternal torment but annihilation. This is a travesty. This is not Nazarene teaching. This is not Nazarene doctrinal heritage. This is not Bible.


Deventer knows that his heresy is a slam against Jesus’ own teachings concerning everlasting damnation promised the unsaved.


Check it out: NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER NIXES ETERNAL HELL. HE’S NAZARENE? at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_moderator_hans_deventer_nixes_eternal_hell_he%E2%80%99s_nazarene.thtml


In another site slot, Deventer endorses biblical errancy, that is, the divine revelation being fraught with errors.


Biblical inerrancy has been the foundational grounding of the Church of the Nazarene since its inception. Now the likes of Deventer spook the church with suspicions off the charts. He will answer to the God who revealed the perfect Word when Deventer stands at the Judgment Seat of Christ.


Psalm 19:7 states: “The law of the Lord [is] perfect, converting the soul.”


James 1:25 states: “But whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”


Check it out: NAZNET SAYS BIBLE NOT 100% NO-ERROR RELIABLE at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet_says_bible_not_100_no-error_reliable.thtml


Now Deventer declares that infant baptism is superior to believers’ adult baptism. It is superior in his view or he would not have changed.


In the Church of the Nazarene there are those clergy who infrequently for various reasons will baptize infants. That has been officiated without contention. However, the primary modes have been sprinkling, pouring and immersion for adults who testify to being saved.


In the denomination there is the customary dedication of infants. This is biblical sense for the parents dedicate their little ones to the Lord, promising to rear their offspring in the ways of a biblical lifestyle.


In Scripture there is absolutely no outright data of infants being baptized though liturgical conclaves read into one verse or another same. Reading into verses is not equal to a verse clearly stating a truth.


Again, there is not one Scripture passage stating that an infant is baptized. All Scripture passages concerning Christian baptism relate to those who profess to accepting Christ as Savior. They, as mature thinking persons, have made a conscious choice to receive divine mercy in salvation.


Now Deventer ups the infant non-biblical position against the adult biblical position. Such hubris. But that is not a surprise when reading Deventer’s iconoclastic proclamations on NazNet.


Yet NazNet states itself to be a companion to the Church of the Nazarene. In reality it is not.


It is a breeding ground for egocentric, theologically opportunistic intellectual-wannabes. These seek to supplant the Nazarene heritage with a liberal stance that eventually will split the denomination into splinters.


Why the church prime leaders from Kansas City headquarters onward through district and regional levels don’t speak out against this divisive intention is beyond reason. It can only by the political network that continues to turn away from truth.


Read other troubling matters related to NazNet:


NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR KEEPS ‘GAY MARRIAGE’ IN THE CLOSET at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_keeps_%E2%80%98gay_marriage%E2%80%99_in_the_closet.thtml


NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR BARBARA MOULTON DRAWS SPIKED REACTIONS at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_barbara_moulton_draws_spiked_reactions.thtml


NAZNET WEBSITE UNFAIR at http://www.michnews.com/J_Grant_Swank_Jr/jgs110609.shtml

J. Grant Swank, Jr. NazNet chaplain moderator Barbara Moulton stated to me: “. . .for the record, I do have objections to gay marriage.  I don't perform them and will never perform them.  I simply am not going to crusade against allowing them to take place in my country.” I responded:  “God help us! So there you have it. Simple words that convey just what they say. No doubt as to what she believes. Nothing there to quibble about.” She’s “not going to crusade against them (‘gay marriages’) allowing them to take place in my country.” There you have it, believing friends. NazNet has a chaplain moderator who permits the homosexuals to get full coverage day and night while she hides away in the site’s underground. There can be no other conclusion reached than that she is a religious coward overseeing a site that claims to be elitistically alluring. Not so. For more, read NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR KEEPS ‘GAY MARRIAGE’ IN THE CLOSET at http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4574089 Those reading this responded with their own angst: “Barbara Moulton is following in the steps of those German Lutherans who sang their hymns in their PC insulated churches while the wheels of the box trains carrying Jewish families to their deaths kept to the rhythm of their religious songs.   “Don't crusade against any sin, Barbara!  but ‘gain the whole world’ of prestige and position; however, don't forget the second part of that verse!” And. . . “Hi Grant, I have been reading your posts about Naznet with interest and also a sad heart. For those of us who poured our hearts out with loving compassion pastoring our churches and stressing the importance of heart holiness, it is sad to witness decline of any type. As you well know, we are going to be attacked for taking our stands for that which is true and just. God bless! Keep on keeping on.” And. . . “. . .chaos and confusion! These people are nuts. . .” And. . . “Is she a coward or what?????????????  Naznet tries to make itself out to be socially active. “Obviously one of its moderators is not that when it comes to putting her biblical convictions in the market place. But that is where it finally counts, isn't it? Naznet is made up of elitist think-themselves-intellectuals with giddy this and that throughout, kissups aplenty. “But when it comes to moving off the site into the open air, obviously one of the chaplain (!) moderators is not willing to be so bold. Such hypocrisy. Secret discipleship does not count at the eternal throne.” And. . . “I had a brief email exchange with Barbara Moulton a couple of years ago regarding a cheap shot she took at Hannity.  She is Canadian and, like most non-US types on Naznet, she has no objections to ‘gay marriages’ and finds socialism to be entirely compatible with the Scriptures.  “The ‘upholding the traditional Nazarene standards types’ seemingly has left the Naznet forums during the last 2-3 years.   Statements from leaders in Kansas City Nazarene headquarters seem to indicate a similar decaying pattern.” Read NAZNET WEBSITE UNFAIR at http://www.michnews.com/J_Grant_Swank_Jr/jgs110609.shtml

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


Once again, NazNet sets forth the liberal position.


Yet NazNet claims to be a friend to the evangelical, holiness Church of the Nazarene. Obviously, per numerous posts on its site, it is no friend.


It is popular on NazNet, particularly by site overseers, to support a Bible not fully reliable.


NazNet basically claims the Word of God is errant. That is, it has errors in it.


Therefore, one is left to pick and choose what is error and what is not error. Imagine the hubris of the mortal, especially in deciphering the divine revelation.


NazNet Manager G. R. ‘Scott’ Cundiff supports the errant position of Dr. C.S. Cowles of Point Loma Nazarene University. Cowles puts forth his thesis here: http://www.naznet.com/inerrant.htm


Cowles’ presentation is entitled: “Scriptural Inerrancy? ‘Behold, I Show You A More Excellent Way’: An Open Letter by C. S. Cowles / Spring, 2009 Point Loma Nazarene University.”


NazNet Moderator Hans Deventer echoes Cundiff’s praise for Cowles’ lecture that the Scriptures have errors in them. Hans says regarding Cundiff’s writing: “I have only one comment: WOW! Thank you, Dr. Cowles. This is a keeper.”


There can be no doubt that NazNet fosters biblical errancy. There is no doubt that NazNet encourages theological liberalism.


In addition, for more liberal positions, note: NazNet Chaplain Moderator Barbara Moulton states her preference for not taking into the openthe biblical position on homosexuality.


She states that she will not champion God’s position on the subject by defending God’s position in public. She will permit homosexuals to take over media coverage, for example. But she herself will keep her opinion in the closet.


In other words, it must not be nice or Christian to support in the marketplace the biblical stance regarding homosexual practice.


Read more: NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR KEEPS ‘GAY MARRIAGE’ IN THE CLOSET at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/naznet%E2%80%99s_chaplain_moderator_keeps_%E2%80%98gay_marriage%E2%80%99_in_the_closet.thtml


In addition, Moderator Hans Deventer states that Jesus was wrong when declaring hell is “eternal torment.” Deventer states the correct view is to proclaim that unbelievers are annihilated upon death.


Read more: NAZNET MODERATOR HANS DEVENTER NIXES ETERNAL HELL. HE’S NAZARENE? at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/


Obviously, when one holds to biblical errancy, one can stray from the biblical ethic and moral base. That moves right into the theological liberal mode of writing your own holy writ, such being done throughout NazNet.


What those of us who hold to inerrancy do is think deeply about biblical research rather than lie down to say Quit. Saying Quit opens up Pandora’s Box for whatever one wants. That leads to theological anarchy.


It is also just what Satan would want for a holiness denomination once aligned solidly behind the Bible as the infallible divine revelation. NazNet fosters canceling out this Nazarene heritage for theological opportunism.


Behind it all is hubris, Eden’s first sin.


If the Church of the Nazarene continues endorsing this position, the denomination will unravel to lose the divine blessing. It will come under the divine curse as the liberal denominations are experiencing today.


Here is an example of thinking deeply through the biblical data.


The following centers on the harsh penalties of the Old Testament in light of the New Testament’s love ethic: BIBLE HARSH PENALTIES & CHRIST’S ETHIC at http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/10/bible_harsh_penalties__christ%E2%80%99s_ethic_2.thtml


Those who, like NazNet, follow Cowles are cowards in that they lie down to whimper Quit.


Genuine biblical researchers don’t do that. The biblical scholars in the past who were loyal to the inerrant divine revelation did not say Quit.


Those biblical researchers today who are loyal to the inerrant divine revelation do not say Quit.


Be forewarned: NazNet is no friend to the Church of the Nazarene. It is theologically liberal based, not holiness-conservative in its primary direction.

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


A comment received to my article, AMERICA BELIEVES CHRIST IS GOD, reads as follows on ConservativeVoice Forum http://www.theconservativevoice.com/forum/read.html?id=732:


“Grant, I wonder if you are a football fan? Just because, if so, I hope you're demanding to the team ownership that the whole team should be put to death immediately. After all, a literal reading of the Bible does tell us that anyone who works on Sunday should be killed, right? And you've apparently linked belief in Christ with blindly following everything in the Bible.”


Here is the answer to that comment:


In the Old Testament, God commanded the death penalty in twenty-some cases. This was not because God was barbaric, but because God was civil. The Israeli twelve tribes had no law enforcement agencies. Further, they were surrounded by barbarisms of strange magnitudes exhibited by neighboring pagan nations.


Consequently, for God to establish an Israeli civil community, He set forth stringent punishments--some being the death penalty. He Himself became, in other words, the Law Enforcement Agency for the new nation of Israel. That chosen community thereby was to model morality / civility to the surrounding nations.


Extremely severe penalties then were commanded by God in order to bring in line an Israeli community which tended to be unruly like its neighbors. If God had been lax in penalties, human nature, being what it is, would have tested gladly the boundaries. But when penalties were severe, human nature thought twice before testing the boundaries, hence the death penalty prescribed by God in some instances.


However, once Israel lost its nationhood by "going a-whoring after other loves", Israel's civil structure disappeared. Israel as a nation lost its temple, its government--that is, its two primary components of culture--religion and politics. Pagan nations then ruled over the heretofore nation of God. In this loss was the disappearance of death penalties previously prescribed by God. The death penalty period as dictated by divine revelation, in other words, ended near the close of the Old Testament era.


That is why when Jesus appeared as flesh-and-bones divine revelation, He pronounced, "You used to say, 'An eye for an eye', but now I say to you: Love your enemies." Jesus pronounced a civility of love toward one's enemies. "Love your foes, pray for your foes." This was the New Testament for it was now a new way of dealing with others--all others.


Government was now established primarily within the believer rather than under Israeli kings. "The Kingdom of God is within you." Law was now primarily of the heart. "My law will be written on your hearts." That was the new politic. Further, the tabernacle was now primarily the human frame: "Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit." That was the new religion.


Therefore, for the New Testament Church Age, it is the law of love toward all--friends and foes. Jesus provided a simply stated ethic. He refused to garble it with amendments. But, one may ask: "What about these atrocious crimes and the death penalty?"


The biblical answer is still the same: love your friends and foes in Jesus. What kind of Christian love then can be shown to a multiple-murderer / rapist / arsonist / child molester? What kind of Christian love can be meted out to a Hitler?


It is a Christian tough love. Tough love keeps the exceptional criminal alive but consigns that one to supervised environs without parole. Hopefully, even that exceptional criminal then may come upon redemption through Christ, yet never be placed in tempting circumstances whereby he again may do others and Himself harm.


Keeping the individual alive also allows the possibility that, realizing human justice systems to be flawed, that person in truth may be found innocent though originally pronounced guilty. Indeed, the future may prove this to be fact if new evidence is forthcoming. History has case files on those in the aforementioned category.


Reason this moral / ethical situation from God's perspective: Adam and Eve slew God's love when they played loose with Eden's snake. However, God did not slay them. Instead, God banished them to their own solitary isles of remorse, hoping at least for their eternal redemption.


You once slew God's love by going your own stubborn way. In reality, you pronounced yourself Lord of your life. It is a hurtful truth to you now that you are a believer; nevertheless, living once in sin and for sin, you were once that callused toward your own loving Creator. However, did God obliterate you? No, instead God searched you out, loved you even while you were enemy, in hopes of redeeming what was left of your destiny.


He now invites each Christian to live out that same kind of persevering, at-times-tough love toward all others--especially those who are Enemy. God has already walked for us the path of love-for-foes. We, of all creatures, should know this for sure. Praise be to a loving, merciful God!


He then invites us to join Him on that love path. He has walked it for us. He asks us now to walk it for others.

J. Grant Swank, Jr. Is this not puzzling to you as a biblical believer? NazNet’s moderator, who also tags herself as a chaplain, told me that she is against “gay marriage” but would not take the issue out in public. This is so like NazNet: opportunistic, conveniently in-house and shallow “Christian.” Are we not to be lights in the world—not hidden under the bushel? Are we not to be salt to the earth? Are we not to be in the world, yet not of the world? Are we not to allow ourselves to be hated for the cause of Christ rather than carve out hideaways for safe cover? How interesting that the open homosexuals take to the marketplace, boulevards, church pulpits, and anywhere they can find foothold. But Ms. Barbara Moulton, chaplain moderator on NazNet, would have the biblical believer not go where scriptural convictions air. She’s not going to go in open space to state that God considers “gay marriage” no place in marriage. Yet NazNet prides itself on being contemporary Christian. It says in so many words, “Come to us to talk out the latest and act out the boldest.” However, one of its own moderators is so cowardly as to state to me that she does not intend on taking the homosexual issue into the open. This is a direct contradiction, Ms. Moulton. You are showing your cowardliness so brashly. You are also revealing your lack of theological understanding when it comes to the Christ ethic of the Gospels. Christ permits His disciples no place to cower, to compromise the mode as well as the message. Instead, He told His own to go into all the world to preach the gospel. Preaching the gospel is “out there.” It’s where the opposition derides. Christ never sidestepped the opposition. He went after them. Further, when they came after Him, He was ready—with power, with logic, with separating soul from spirit. If we are to be like Christ, we are to be of like courage. Homosexuals taking to the malls and government steps are in our face. Yet you sit there in your comfortable Internet site office having coffee. That is absolutely insulting to the rest of us who are carrying the cause and cross where it counts—where the enemy is, where the friends are, where Christ is overseeing the fray. I am stunned today. I am shocked to read what you have stated to me. It is beyond abhorrent. Yet it is right there in front of me. No wonder today’s church is so lame. No wonder its impact is derided as drained. So it is that you are among the site’s leaders who counsel input daily to others? This is unthinkable. NazNet chaplain moderator Barbara Moulton states to me: “. . .for the record, I do have objections to gay marriage.  I don't perform them and will never perform them.  I simply am not going to crusade against allowing them to take place in my country.” God help us! So there you have it. Simple words that convey just what they say. No doubt as to what she believes. Nothing there to quibble about. She’s “not going to crusade against them (“gay marriages”) allowing them to take place in my country.” There you have it, believing friends. NazNet has a chaplain moderator who permits the homosexuals to get full coverage day and night while she hides away in the site’s underground. There can be no other conclusion reached than that she is a religious coward overseeing a site that claims to be elitistically alluring. Not so.

J. Grant Swank, Jr.


In his own words: “I believe that hell is annihilation.” Check it out here: http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php?t=28935


Clear words. Simple words. Definitions understood without commentary.


Hans Deventer is moderator of a supposed Church of the Nazarene supportive site per the site’s own “advertisement.”


The Church of the Nazarene has never preached that hell is annihilation. I was born into that denomination and have graduated from that church’s seminary, having graduated from that church’s liberal arts college.


I have never heard any professor, preacher or evangelist claim that “hell is annihilation.”


Jesus never stated that hell is annihilation. Instead, he stated just the opposite. Hell is everlasting torment for the damned.


That is why the traditional Church of the Nazarene proclaimed that hell is eternal torment for that denomination sought to underline exactly what the Bible states. That denomination was not known for diverting from the Word, that is, until Hans came along with his theologically liberal colleagues on NazNet.


NazNet, to use Hans as an example, seeks to stir up confusion though the site claims just the opposite as its reason for being. It needs readers. It needs responders. Therefore, it moves into that which is contentious in order to get readers.


It’s the same with Hans’ opinion that infant baptism is his okay-baptism. He states in another venue that he once believed in believers’ adult baptism; however, he’s now an advocate for infant baptism.


Spin the theologically liberal bottle once again, Hans.


Yet you still state that you are supportive of the Church of the Nazarene? Not so. You are supportive of your place on the NazNet site that you hope will supplant the historic Church of the Nazarene teaching by claiming it worn out. The past is “old hat.”


Whether it is annihilation or infant baptism, these two examples are just two of others that seek to plant, particularly in the young readers, questions regarding the denomination’s heretofore biblical proclamations.


NazNet is not then a friend to the traditional history of the Church of the Nazarene. It is a rebel.


Hans and NazNet overseers are out to be popular, not to be theologically biblical or friends of the Church of the Nazarene. Therefore, the Church of the Nazarene leadership should come out in defense of biblical doctrine, exposing NazNet as not a genuine companion.


So, Hans, you join liberals in prostituting Scripture to your own opinions, such as your definition of hell as annihilation. You knew from the start that you were handling a basic biblical teaching that you were subverting. But for your own personal popularity and your site’s increased readership, you took the gamble of toying with the Word.


Of course, you will answer for this from God for He will not tolerate those who twist and turn His revelation in order to suit their own egocentric aims. Opportunistic you, as well as your other site overseers, may think you are the new gurus for the Church of the Nazarene. But you are not.


Using the Bible as evidence, you are not friends to the Church of the Nazarene.


As a troubling postscript, Hans also states this set of confusing words: “The Bible isn't clear about the intermediate state.”


The biblical Protestant does not believe in an “intermediate state.” Biblical believers know that the Word teaches that at death the soul goes to heaven or hell. There is no middle state—the “intermediate state.”


Roman Catholicism and some other liturgical conclaves teach an intermediate state. Catholic teaching has traditionally taught a limbo space for unbaptized infants who die. Catholic teaching also has taught a purgatory, an “intermediate state.”


However, the Church of the Nazarene specifically has never believed in limbo or purgatory or any other “place” called “intermediate state.”


I personally believe that Hans does not know what he is talking about on various points in his post here: http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php?t=28935


He truly is not theologically knowledgeable so as to monitor an evangelical holiness site.


Yet he continues on NazNet’s claimed-to-be supportive site for the Church of the Nazarene.


Not sound. Not true.


For further digressions from the Church of the Nazarene’s biblical past, read: NAZNET’S CHAPLAIN MODERATOR BARBARA MOULTON DRAWS SPIKED REACTIONS at http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4578553


FOOTNOTE: GOD WARNS OF ETERNAL HELL


The Bible teaches that there is a fiery everlasting hell, a place that Jesus warned people about. Note this sampling of Scripture:


“And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire,” (Matt. 18:8)


“. . .these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:46)


Jesus says: “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire. . .”  (Matthew 25:41)


“22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)”